Finished: 08 AM Wed 06 May 15 UTC
Take the Cannoli
1 day /phase
Pot: 127 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: no England AND no Germany?

looks like france should have an easy game lol
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: It is a shame
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Maybe someone will drop in
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: its only a 105 pot, so a cd or two is expected
no biggie
22 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1904: GameMaster: Oneshot0813 was banned: Multi/Meta/No Reply. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
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22 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Wassup
25 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: looks like france has the solo win here boys

unless we all band together to stop him
25 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey, that's me!
25 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Agreed. Sorry france!
30 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Russia is out. France is contained. I suggest we get Germany out and call a 4-way draw (sorry Germany). Thoughts?
01 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: sounds good

if turkey supports hold at tunis, and I support hold at Tyrrhenian, france is blocked in the south

and if Austria and turkey send armies to rum/bud; then we can also block france in the centre

France - you got close, but 12 is far enough from 18 that we can prevent a solo
01 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will draw with Turkey, but not with little guys
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: then you'll lose

we have a stalemate, meaning it is impossible for you to gain ground

so you can agree to a draw (once we have the stalemate line in place) and then you can either enter moves forever and never take anything, or agree to draw
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: ive been caught in a stalemate myself a few times, once I had 17 centres, and the remaining 4 players, each with only 2-3 centres, manged to stalemate me

because I didn't know the stalemate lines
now I do

and you will too
frustrating though, doing well and then getting caught in a draw
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: That is tragic.
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: I think france is suggesting that England and Germany be eliminated before we draw. If so, I agree with them on that and I dont think stalemate lines are irrelevant in those cases.
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Or are you calling italy and I lite guys too?! :-)
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Because italy and I do have you at a stalmate ... So if you are including us, then for that part of the board I agree with italy n
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: If you agree to a draw after eliminating England and Germany, then france and turkey should work together to make it quick,
01 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: I think that if Germany and England really work it, they can hold off france

that being said; lets settle for a 4 way draw; france, turkey, Austria, myself

we have stalemate lines from tyrolia down to tunis, france cant break past anywhere
(ion support hold at tunis, naples support hold at tyrr, ven sup tusc=stalemate)

also, about 1 move away from stalemate in the centre (if ser-tri, and bul-rum its a stalemate)

scandanavia - as soon as that wraps up, we're done
but france - you need more units there, fleets in mao, Africa, nao etc don't help as much as skag, Norwegian sea etc
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: I think Austria and Italy should fight it out, and the winner gets to live. What do you think Turkey?
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: I like to watch a good fight
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: I wouldn't be opposed
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: But I can't see Italy or Austria agreeing
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: We could prod them into it.
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: How very Roman of the two of you ... :-)

But I am not in.

If Italy and I fight, then the two of you will be able to easily nibble away at our SCs. That will only lead to one result: giving France the solo. He's at 12 now, can easily get to 16 with Edi, Den, Nor and Swe. He just needs to pick up two from a weakened Italy, and who would blame him.

Don't be lured by the blood sport Turkey!! France won't draw if he isn't forced to draw. And you need Italy and I to work together with you to force the draw. Anything else and you lose with the rest of us.
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: PS. I have to say that I like your style France. But I still don't want you to get the solo. Nice job leaving those northern SCs until you find a way to break through the southern stalemate line. It's tempting to take them (the northern ones) but clearly you know that we will all gang up on you if you do take them and get to 16 so you have been patiently biding your time. I don't think it is going to work this time though. Unless Italy goes all Roman on me... :-)
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: lol

france, Austria and myself are clearly both experienced, intelligent players

why lose if you have a draw position?


this is exactly why diplomacy is more like chess, than it is like risk
more pure logic; you CANNOT take any more ground from us

why would we give it away for free?

bittersweet as it may be for you, this is a draw game
the only questions now are
1. how many in the draw; 4,5, or 6, wind up in that final draw

(and the answer is 4)

2. are the three of us going to try to kill you while you slowly wander up north and kill England and Germany?
I bet if the whole board teamed up, we could kill france off, and then look at another draw scenario

any thoughts?
England???
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Hey, what about the Turkey? I think he is a wise guy too... :-d
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Perhaps England and Germany also, I just never chatted with them.
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Not quite the Diplomacy master myself
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: france seems to like the turk; you and me I'm not so sure lol
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Well, I am fairly large in comparison to you two. Maybe I'm a threat, or he wants me to attack you guys.
02 May 15 UTC Spring, 1907: This is quite fun. I say, let's kill the little guys. I think I need 6 to win, I don't think I can do it. But this is good sport.
03 May 15 UTC Guys, I am trying to wipe out England and Germany. It makes us all richer. Please, leave me alone while I help you.
04 May 15 UTC I think that because England and Germany have both "left" this game, we can safely draw now and they get none of the points or anything

unless we plan to keep pushing into old Germany?
04 May 15 UTC Yes, since England/Germany have left, they would not be part of a draw.

So vote Draw France! Until you do, I will recommend that the rest of us keep trying to advance against you just to be safe -- don't want you to see an opening and change your mind about a draw!
04 May 15 UTC good game all!

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France
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 32 D
14 supply-centers, 11 units
Turkey
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 32 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Austria
dgibson987 (4565 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 32 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
Macchiavelli (2419 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 32 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
Dylan@swag (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 10 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Germany
ahafez95 (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 6 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Russia
Keepmytempo (108 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
jhoffer007 (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1903) with 3 centres.
Oneshot0813 (80 D)England (Spring, 1904) with 5 centres.
kccmr (100 D)England (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
ahafez95 (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1904) with 1 centres.
Dylan@swag (100 D)England (Autumn, 1907) with 1 centres.
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