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Finished: 10 AM Wed 14 Jan 15 UTC
SwiftBoat
14 hours /phase
Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Good luck with that, Germany. I can hold him off for a long long time. Italy, West is best.
04 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy - you don't need to invade to France. I can move my troops according your wish already. You just spend valuable time if you move to southern France and lose momentum to attack on Germany. I will leave south open anyway so you can pick those southern SC's whenever you want. England and Germany are having very strong alliance and they will go after you as soon as they have destroyed France.
04 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy has read all of your offers and would like to hear more from Turkey about what peace would look like before committing to either side. Italian control of Greece and the Ionian Sea as well as Serbia and Budapest would need to stay in place for security. I won't move north or west and leave my rear open.
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy - I agree to freeze all territories as they are. Just need you to remove the third fleet from the region and we can each not attack each other
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Turkey- We have a deal
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: France and Germany. Italy is strongly considering your offers and will inform you both in due time.
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Kaiser
Do you need anything from Nth Sea?
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: No, use it for your own needs.
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: After careful consideration, Italy has decided to accept the French offer of alliance. We are pleased to annouce the Franco-Italian-Turkish alliance.
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Turkey, what assistance would you like against Russia?
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Hey Italy, good to hear that.
05 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: @italy -- rumania is attacking ukraine. You could support rumania into ukraine, or you could use galicia for other purposes. The key is that if you say support into ukraine is a possibility it will force germany to decide whether he supports russia or defends silesia. I'm ok with whichever you choose.
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: France, Western Med support MAO?
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: @Turkey, I'll take your points into consideration.
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Hey Italy, no need for support. Try to move from West med to M-AO with your fleet. I will make England guess if I am going to English channel or NAO. If he makes wrong move then I will get another. He can't have M-AO in any scenario. We are having an upper-hand with 3 fleet against his 2.
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Ok done.
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Italy - please attack with Tyrol to Munich. Ok ?
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Italy, Germany cannot do major damage to me within couple of rounds and as soon as you move to Boh from Vie he will have major troubles.
06 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Kaiser
Please do War to mos to remove any supprt for fin to stp
06 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey Italy, new try... West Med to Mid-Atl Ocean. I will support with Brest. Irish Sea needs to retreat to Liverpool in order to protect it so you will get MAO.
06 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Italy/Turkey, It seems that I can hold western boarder against Germany if you keep bringing the pressure for him from the south/east.
06 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Wouldn't taking Spain now and using it to build another fleet next turn be better move for Italy?
07 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ok, West Med to MAO
07 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Roger Italy.
07 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey Italy, I will build a fleet to Marseilles and work it into Spain. This way I can make sure that you enter to Mao within two rounds.
Try it anyway again next round. That way we can keep England's fleet at Irish Sea/English channel stand still. I will give you support.
08 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1905: England, take Denmark whenever you think is best. -Kaiser
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Seems like a bit coordinated moves without public messaging and open negotiating.... you guys seems to be old buddies and made deals even before game started. Goodbye !
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Nice stab by italy. Don't trust him.
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: France - what a complete dummy-spit!
You have been trying to be the puppet master of italy/turkey for a number of years and now surprised when italy stabs you
As you pointed out earlier - lots of the moves involve (out)guessing and taking risks
At this stage that is what i had to do
Now - pick your dummy back up and lets discuss how to stop italy winning
First by you stopping mar and then us sweeping into the med
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: 'moves involve guessing and taking risks....' - please let me laugh. Without any communication all England/Germany/Italy-troops are suddenly working perfectly together ? You are cheating. End of story.
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Turkey can as well see through what's the name of the game with you guys. You can finish the game by three of you if you want. It will be even more easier than so far as we are not moving the troops.
08 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: France, what do you mean by working perfectly together?
All I did was hold everything. What else was I going to do? Any attempt to do anything else would have lead to me possibly losing a SC. If I knew Italy was going to move away I would be in Bur right now.
England's moves are also perfectly justified defensive moves. If England knew Italy wasn't attacking MAO, then there would be a English fleet in MAO.
Frankly I suggest you report us. I'm confident the mods won't find us guilty of anything.
09 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Firstly I have no knowledge or communication with England or Germany.

Secondly I have not stabbed France but yes I did stab Turkey for justified reasons.

Thirdly I had to stab Turkey, his move to Ukraine meant he was starting to surround my east and north. His taking of Moscow would have meant another unit to use against me. Without Turkey being entangled with another in Russia (it would take him a while to move against England in St P) like France,Germany and England are, he would have had to attack me for centres and expansion.

Lastly it appears France and Turkey have a good relationship and potential alliance. Eventually the two of you would have moved against me and squeezed me from west, south and east.

So as you can see, my attack on Turkey makes sense. Attack before his attacks me.
09 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm sorry that your upset France but as I have explained, it was only a matter of time before Turkey attacked me. You were trying to lead this alliance but Turkey was getting too strong for Italy's security.

So cheer up, this is diplomacy and your just upset I stabbed before you and Turkey did.
09 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Germany- would you like me to assist you against France
England- would you like me to assist you against Turkey in Russia?

Sorry France- but after attacking Turkey and your dummy spit, I think it's best I help Germany beat you. It's nothing personal but this is a GAME.
09 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: France...cancel? Seriously? It should be at least a draw
09 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Italy - well expressed
Would love your assistance in the north
Will advise when i am in place
10 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Germany- Support you into Mar?
10 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Italy. I'll wait and see if France puts in moves. If they don't, I'm going I to Paris instead.
10 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: England, I'll support you into breast from EC.
10 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Kaiser thanx
12 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1907: We might have to discuss a draw soon
12 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1907: It's looking that way.
12 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Agreed after turk gone
13 Jan 15 UTC Draw? A draw between the Italian empire and the mighty English-German alliance?
13 Jan 15 UTC Seem like a classic situation for a draw to me. If England stabs Germany, Italy wins. If Germany stabs England, Italy wins. If neither of us stab each other, we have a very stable stalemate line.
It was a good game. I thought I had lost several times.
13 Jan 15 UTC It was a very good game. I really enjoyed playing it. Thanks to everyone for a good game :)
13 Jan 15 UTC It was a very good game. I really enjoyed playing it. Thanks to everyone for a good game :)
13 Jan 15 UTC Thanx all for a good game
Kaiser - we established a good alliance
Italy - formidable for
Russia & turkey - well done You held the eastern front for a long time
France - ?
13 Jan 15 UTC England and Germany- A mighty alliance, well played guys
Russia- Up against it but went well
Turkey- went well and I'm sorry for the stab. But you gotta do what you gotta do
France- don't be upset. This is diplomacy

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Italy
Wyman (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 70 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
England
Ozcar (238 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 70 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
EmperorJC (436 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 70 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
France
Miguel1612 (455 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Austria
rkcommander (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Turkey
iketches (187 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Russia
dagabs0 (22926 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Civil Disorders
rkcommander (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1902) with 0 centres.
Miguel1612 (455 D)France (Autumn, 1906) with 3 centres.
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