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Finished: 09 AM Sat 14 Jun 14 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 200 D - Spring, 2009, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
26 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: RIP Murmansk.

My dear friends. Please, do not think so poorly of me. You see, friends, I am here to play interesting games of Diplomacy. This happens to be a very interesting game of Diplomacy. Imagine if we had drawn when everyone was considering it... Egypt would not have made the game-making move into Volga. I would not have fully rescued England from the enveloping clutches of Russia. The game was so much more interesting when it continued...

But of course, friends, I know you need reassurances of what exactly I intend to do; what finish I envision for this game. Well, it's simple: Italy, Egypt, and I three-way draw. Contrary to Italy and Germany's opinions of their "immobile" stalemate, I say that the stalemate will break within three (probably two) years. By then, I'll have control of most of the Northern Seas and will begin to chip away at Northern Germany. And Southern Germany will fall alongside Northern.

But how do I propose to split the territory in our three-way draw? How about this:
- I take Northern Germany and some areas around the Baltic.
- Italy takes Southern Germany and parts of Poland and Ukraine.
- Egypt takes Russia and parts of Ukraine.

"But no! This plan may give one of the three countries a chance at a solo!" you say...
Well, I'll reassure those feelings with these points:
- Italy pretty much cannot solo, being surrounded on all sides, this leaves the solo-possibility to Egypt and I.
- In order for Egypt or I to win, we would need a majority of Italy's centers. The problem is that both of us will be uncertain about who will get the majority and, realizing this, will elect to draw.

It's simple, I hope you'll agree with it.
26 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: frenchie its simple you only managed to win back GB as i missed a phase ironically going on a trip to bloody france hence the reason i had to retreat and weakened my defences and you were very lucky in this play kiddo.
Egypt will not be going any further...
First of all you were the one to break the agreement to draw among us
(continued to attack me and now as Germany missed a phase Attacked him!! it is clear that you should be eliminated by all forces aiming against you.
You were never a dominating force in this game you only pray on people missing to submit orders and you are not to decide who and when will draw the game.
26 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Russia, first of all, I'd like you to notice that I would have taken Belgium if Germany was here or not (see support by Paris and breaking support by EC). The outcome would not change whether Germany was here or not.

Secondly, although your NMR did speed my invasion, it did not change the outcome. I would have gotten to the position I am now either way, just perhaps a year or two later... You did not lose Britain because of that turn. You lost it because of your general incompetence in defending it.

Thirdly, you hypocritically scold me for 'gaining' advantage when your success was partially based on the NRMs of Ukraine (Spring 1997), and Turkey (Spring 1998 to Fall 1999)?

Fourthly, remember that there was never a formal agreement to draw - thus I had nothing to break.

Fifthly, I find it ironic that you call me "kiddo" when it is you that has the grammar of a toddler.

Sixthly, I am not "deciding" with whom and when we are drawing, I am suggesting it. Recall my last line: "I hope you'll agree with it." One does not agree to a decision, one follows a decision. Instead, one agrees to a suggestion.

Seventhly, "Egypt will not be going any further..." I will assume Murmansk (which he will take if he retreats to Urals) counts as "further".

Eighthly, we must have a difference of opinion as to what qualifies as a "dominating force" I consider myself (along with you, Italy, Germany, and especially Egypt) to be dominating forces considering that we are the final five.

In my opinion, Russia's error and idiocy-ridden message is reason enough to exclude him from our draw.
26 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: This is exactly the kind of dip game I try to avoid. Hard on this site though, especially with such a low pot size.

People make decisions early in the game as to who they want to ally with, and they see who others ally with; and no one will ever change that initial decision. Terrible.

Italy will never attack anyone but me or Russia. He's made a decision very early on, and will never change that initial decision.

Egypt made a decision early on, and will never change it, will never attack Italy or france under any circumstances.

France will send long messages explaining why everyone should help him solo or draw, and everyone will do as he says. Because no one here has the power to change their minds, end an alliance, make a stab, or do anything other than play out the boring, predetermined end to this already finished game.

Real diplomacy is about the ever changing alliance structure, about your old enemies becoming your new allies; it is about scraping and fighting to get a win, or FAILING that, a draw. This isn't real dip, this is a democracy voting on who gets into the final draw based on how pretty their messages are.

So go france, kill the Russian because he did well off the start. Go Egypt, do what france tells you, retreat to urals, never attack Italy, and watch as france solos or allows you to join him in a draw.

And Italy, you just sit there and wait for france to give you his scraps, and make sure you only ever order support holds from now on.

Such an intriguing game of ever shifting alliances. Thrilling
26 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: Well I admit I just skimmed those messages, but I must say, France's words seemed to be the most eloquent, even though everyone seems to be saying the same thing.
27 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: Is it my turn to write a big, long message that insults someone?

Okay, I will. Except for the insulting part. (we Italians like to be a good example to everone.)

Germany: I would be a fool to attack Egypt. He would quickly overpower me, take Tunis, Greece, Naples, and Rome, and leave me in a vulnerable popsition. However, Egypt can't attack me, because I would immediately side with Russia against him. I couldn't attack France, unless Germany agrees to a ceasefire. I have almost no armies in that area, and probably couldn't get very far. The best I can do is hunker down, and wait for a draw.
27 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: Very well; I agree to a ceasefire.
27 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: Now you've made me paranoid...

I'll still protect Alsace, Italy (unless you want Germany or I to disband it so you can get a build in Venice), but I'll be implementing anti-alpine-invasion-preventive-measures...
27 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: As a sign of my good intentions (to both Germany and France), I will withdraw from Alsace. If Germany and France would like to keep fighting, I'd be fine with that.
27 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: To whom are your bad intentions directed toward, Italy?
28 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: They are directed to whomever thinks that it would be fun to attack me. I'm waiting for a draw.
30 May 14 UTC Spring, 2005: If you're waiting long enough that you're missing turns though, that's not good...
31 May 14 UTC Spring, 2005: Well, if there is (or should I use 'are'?) going to be two CDs, I suppose we should draw. Or do you want to wait until they actually CD - and therefore are not included in the draw?
31 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Sorry, I was away. I didn't intend to miss a phase.
31 May 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Italy, know that I will only move Auv to Mar to form an adequate stalemate-ish line. I will go no further than that.
01 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: How about a truce, Germany. At least until Russia is gone?
01 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Italy I'm building a fleet in Barcelona to help you form a stalemate line against Egypt.
02 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Sorry Italy, looked like you were gonna miss the phase again and disappear like Russia. I will not attack you again.
02 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: Moving to Western Med to support hold Tunis, Italy.
02 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: Germany, consistent with my wish for a truce, I will do nothing to attack you other than to move to the North Sea. I hope that you will accept my goodwill and help me against the potential eastern threat.
02 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: "Potential Eastern threat"...which threat exactly is that?
As Russia is no longer playing, I can only assume you mean to help me against Egypt?

I have no quarrel with Egypt.
I plan for a 4 way draw after Russia is gone.

YOU plan to verbally manipulate everyone on the board into letting you solo.
Or maybe I'm wrong.

What eastern threat are you referring to?
02 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: I'm sorry, Germany, to have been unclear. Yes, I was referring to Egypt.

I agree with you, Germany. With Russia no longer sending orders, the best course of action is to four way draw after he has left. I would want to draw at that point. Why? Because Egypt is now marching through Russia far faster than I expected. A three way draw is out of the question.

But the question is: Will Egypt draw at that point? I am merely suggesting, Germany, a truce so that you can create an Eastern pseudo-stalemate line against Egypt so he will be motivated to draw when the time comes. That is all.
03 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: Egypt, I recall, has already voted to draw, and merely withdrew his vote when he saw you wouldn't draw; thus, I thought he was sure to agree to a 4-way. He's a smart guy.

So, Egypt; kha, kiev, sev, lit for you; bielo and gda for me; ode for...Italy?
France takes Sweden and we call it a draw?
03 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2006: I agree with everything, except for the army in Istanbul.
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Russia, I'll support you to Murmansk if you give me Sweden. That's a worthy trade, eh?

Also, Italy, I'm supporting Tunis.
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Germany - thank you, I agree with your plan. And don't worry about that army Italy, it's not going anywhere or hurting you.

France (on the other hand) - you've been trying to be sneaky all game, and at first it was funny, but now it's just annoying. By all means, take the side of the sinking ship against me, the other 3 of us look forward to steamrolling you should you even try to attack me lol. Then we'd certainly get the 3 way draw you had been going for a while ago, except you just wouldn't be part of it :)
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Right now, France is defending me, not attacking you. Or so he says.
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Well, to be honest, I did just offer to support Russia into Murmansk which sorta-counts as attacking.
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Also, Germany, I forgot to talk to you...

Keeping with our truce, I will not be attacking you, I will support hold our land border and the North Sea. I will also be moving to Sweden from Ska again (and it would probably be in your benefit to speed Russia's demise by supporting me there).
03 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Agreed, on the premise that we all(France, Egypt, Germany) leave the gulf of bothnia, Baltic sea, and bhm sea vacant.

Sound good?
04 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Sounds fine by me.
04 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2006: Out of curiosity, Egypt, why did you move to Western Sahara?
05 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2007: Wow, Egypt, what a delightfully brilliant strategy. I didn't even see it coming... But tell me, what does this mean for our draw?
05 Jun 14 UTC Spring, 2007: Same thing it meant when you built that extra fleet at Barcelona, Grouchy: nothing at all.
07 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: Germany, I find it odd that you moved to the Bhm when it was you that suggested the DMZ in the first place...
07 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: just moving to protect myself
its not like I moved into south atlantic or something
08 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: I would like to point out that Egpyt is the one who is moving towards a solo. To assure us of his willingness to draw, I would suggest that he give Germany Beilorussia and give me Kiev. (Although we do thank you, Egypt, for doing most of the work in conquering Russia.)
08 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: I agree.
Egypt is in a stronger position to solo than the rest of us; and Egypt has already agreed to leave bielo for me.
08 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: Germany, even though it was you that suggested the Baltic DMZ, I suggest that you move to the Baltic to solidify your position in Poland. (also isn't Lithuania a more sensible choice than Bielorussia to incorporate into Germany?)

Also, considering that I demilitarized the Western Front, perhaps both you and Italy would consider doing so also?
08 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: Germany, I'm retreating to GoB because - well - it's the only sensible thing to do.
08 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2007: Italy & Germany - Don't worry about me. I've already shown my willingness to draw, unlike someone else, who shall remain nameless :)
And I shall leave Belorussia and Kiev to you guys.
10 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2008: Germany, would you please support me into Kiev from Podolia?
10 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2008: I'll support you in as well. I just wanna see the French forced into a draw... or even better, attempt to go up against all 3 of us :)
11 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2008: now that Russia is gone, we can draw
just need draw votes from france and egypt
12 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2008: Those are my thoughts exactly.
12 Jun 14 UTC Autumn, 2008: And what a surprise... as usual, we are waiting on France. Shall we attack him together gentlemen?
12 Jun 14 UTC I don't see why not. (Sorry, France, it's nothing personal. I'm just ready for this game to be over.)
12 Jun 14 UTC I'm in as well.

3 against one will either result in an immediate 4 way draw, or an eventual 3 way draw.
12 Jun 14 UTC Well, good game, dear friends. It was a pleasure playing with you.
13 Jun 14 UTC Yep. Good game!

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