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Finished: 02 AM Fri 07 Mar 14 UTC
Private Kill Austria First?
2 days /phase
Pot: 441 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
09 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Sorry to hear that. Best wishes, I hope things look up for you soon.

How do we want to replace Russia? Should we put a post on the forum, or does someone have a player they'd like to invite instead?
09 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: All the best to your grandfather and your family in general. I don't know a replacement player, maybe we should really look in the forum. Or reinvite Austria ;-)
09 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I am fine with waiting a couple of days, or someone advertising on the forum.
14 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Greetings all! Come chat with me!
14 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hello, Russia! Thanks for taking over.
14 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: My pleasure! Glad I could help. Now to do a decent job!
15 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: France, England, I believe you also need to vote to unpause the game
16 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Sorry for the delay - wasn't checking after my humiliating thrashing.
17 Feb 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Wish I'd been able to see some press before joining. Yikes. Live and learn I guess
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ok. Now it is clear your all merely intended to mug some part of some coin. Nice work. I certainly can't wait to find out who you are
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I have asked the mods to remove me from this game
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia: what a crap. Tides were turned, I actually thought your efforts here were pretty clever in the way you tried to influence the diplomacy of this game. I was not sure if you were not able to succeed. You can't just sneak out of the game just because things didn't work out the way you wanted. The mods shall check our comms and they'll see that this game is played completely fairly. Don't be such a sore loser.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: No. We have four players who regularly play together joining in a 4v1 vs the new player. That's a strong suggestion of meta gaming here. This was never going to be a fair game. The smell is too strong.

We will see what the mods say. I for one think it was a set up I see nothing to show otherwise
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I am absolutely livid at having walked into this
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I will also say this I the last time I take over a position
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I am also requesting a pause to see if I can find someone else to play in your game
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'll happily toss my vote in to pause for you. Contact the mods if you think you need to...I just think that you're taking a stab in Diplomacy a little personally. There's no one here who is desperate enough for points to want to lure in some unsuspecting player and "mug" them.

Germany and I (who were both at odds with Russia before you even arrived) discussed laying off a bit and discussing things with you as a new player before continuing. While I can't speak for Germany, I decided to lead you on and then stab you because you came on far too strong and demanding for the position you were in. If a weakened Russia was going to write some big checks he can't cash, I didn't want to see what a full-strength Russia would do.

It's the game, pure and simple. I was open to listening to you--I just didn't particularly like what I heard. I lied far more blatantly to Italy than I did to you (sorry, Italy...I don't really like to lie as frequently as I have to you in this particular game), and while I'm certain he's not particularly happy right now, he's not yelling "cheaters" just because he's in a tough spot.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: He didn't walk into a game where the fix was already in. He started from the get go

I don't mind a stab. I do mind a bunch of olayers asking for someone to step in when they know they have a 4 v 1 going.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Exactly. Your intervention made both Germany and me make the possibility of a stab by the other a possibility, an irritation we resolved by rather defensive moves (North Sea-London and Wales-English Channel for example). I mean, really! I didn't even pretend to change my allegiances, and this has nothing to do with the other players. As I've said, the mods can check our communication for hints of metagaming. So far, I have always been on the losing side of this group's games, and I have literally no idea who the others are. And where do you see the 4 vs. 1 thing? As you can see, I fight Italy and Turkey just stabbed her.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia's not reading the board. He's just upset that his plans didn't work out the way he thought they would.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: All I know is that the lot of you advertised on forum for someone to take over a very expensive position that you already knew was hopeless because you had already decided to kill off. Why even bother?

I am so glad I took the trouble to help you all out
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm a generally nice person, but just f* off.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia, I am very sorry if you feel mistreated in this game. I really mean that. The exact same thing happened to me the last time I picked up a game - the situation was tougher than it looked and things went poorly despite my best efforts. And like you say, it discouraged me from joining future ones. All I can say is that my actions have nothing to do with you being new to the game (if anything, as others suggest, it had made me a little less gung ho than I might have otherwise been), and you have done a fine job in a tough spot.

If you feel cheated and are up for it, when this one is over I will gladly join a game of any bet size I can afford to give you the chance to win your points back.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Sorry I lost my temper with you all (although I still regret having signed up)
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia, I am very sorry if you feel mistreated in this game. I really mean that. The exact same thing happened to me the last time I picked up a game - the situation was tougher than it looked and things went poorly despite my best efforts. And like you say, it discouraged me from joining future ones. All I can say is that my actions have nothing to do with you being new to the game (if anything, as others suggest, it had made me a little less gung ho than I might have otherwise been), and you have done a fine job in a tough spot.

If you feel cheated and are up for it, when this one is over I will gladly join a game of any bet size I can afford to give you the chance to win your points back.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Truth is, I am sorry I yelled at you all. Don't worry about it.

I'll get over it, especially when I finally get a chance to plot some inevitable revenge six years from now.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Leave it to the Kaiser to keep his cool. :)

I agree with Germany. If you feel cheated and want the opportunity to win your points back, I'll give you that chance as well.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: That was so important I had to send it twice.

For real, let's play again, I hate the idea of this leaving a bad taste in anyone's mouth outside of the usual game reasons.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ok. That'd be fun. Let's finish this though

I just returned from a pretty rough day and was already in a fercociously bad mood. (I have a number of difficult personal issues at the moment (ranging from a close family member with terminal cancer and being unemployed at the moment). So I just was a mess last night and for whatever reason just broke

At least I wasn't drunk! (Much. Maybe that would have helped)

Now. Time for me to plot my inevitable solo in this game! :)
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: No worries...I probably knee-jerked a little bit as well. Apologies all around.

I know that this game can be stressful and emotional at times. I lied through my teeth to both you and Italy last phase, and it's hard not to take that personally sometimes. I apologize if I said anything out of line as well.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Apologies for the f-word too, then. I just felt offended, that's why. But I'm not very grudge holding.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Turkey: of course you lied through your teeth. It is diplomacy! You're supposed to do that!

France: I totally deserved it. The f-word is like a useful and powerful spice and you honored the very best sensibilities of French cooking in your considered and judicious use!
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Now. Who wants a new ally? ;)
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I am glad to see everyone making up before the next round of betrayals and recriminations.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: I have not made up with anyone yet. Except Austria and England.
21 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: If it gets too quiet around here, I am happy to oblige with some complaints about Austrian treachery.
22 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: To be honest, I've felt like Steve Martin in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles this entire game. And yes, that makes you John Candy Turkey.
22 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: :)
22 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Solid reference, and accurate. I hate that it's accurate, but it is.
22 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: What the hell does that make me?
26 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: So, I know this game's not over by any means, but I'd like to start thinking about the rematch.

I'm good for really any point value 5-250 or so, but I assume we'll prefer a lower buy-in. I'd actually like to request that we stretch the next game to 3-day phases, though. Two days is fine 90% of the time, but every now and then I'm not able to check/respond to press within the 2-day limit.

I like anonymous, and I like WTA, but I guess I can bend on either of those settings. Anyone else have any thoughts? Anyone definitely in or out of the next game?
27 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: Unless it is short phases I am in. Three day phases and a low buy-in is preferable for me, but I will go with whatever points Russia wants. I have a whole bunch of games going now, so a longer phase is better. WTA or anonymous is fine, but anonymous probably works better in this case.
27 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: Longer is great for me. I have similar issues with 2 days. Not enough time for me to put into each phase. Other than that, I'm up for whatever.
27 Feb 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'd also play again, I also prefer a not-too-large buy-in.
01 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: I really enjoy losing - so count me in.
03 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: A good game to all, including our departed.
03 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: yeah, sure. Glad I could be of service in contributing more points instead of having a CD in a completely determined game. I'm sure that is appreciated.
03 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Bah humbug. O.k. Germany convinced me I should join up also. I like shorter phases, but 2 days if fine. I'd like to keep the buy in at 50 or under I think. I'm agnostic on WTA v PPSC
04 Mar 14 UTC good game all, thanks for playing. Finally a game in this group where I didn't get beaten...
05 Mar 14 UTC Rematch:
gameID=137177
PW: rematch

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Germany
ckroberts (3548 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 147 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Turkey
murraysheroes (531 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 147 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
France
Wernazuma (589 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 147 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
Newmunich (232 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Italy
Feeniks (694 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Austria
MarekP (12867 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Russia
Ogion (3974 D)
Defeated. Bet: 91 D
Civil Disorders
doktorkeks42 (143 D)Russia (Autumn, 1904) with 7 centres.
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