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Finished: 08 PM Thu 09 Jan 14 UTC
Featured Private Top 7 active gunboater's game-6
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 3500 D - Spring, 1920, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Jan 14 UTC Gg.
07 Jan 14 UTC @Dipper you wouldn't be thinking of eliminating Austria next,would you?
07 Jan 14 UTC I mean if we had continued playing...
07 Jan 14 UTC gg
07 Jan 14 UTC I thought he could have taken out France ;-). And had he moved on me would you not have taken a solo split?
07 Jan 14 UTC I think I couldn't solo this one,if you take a closer look Italy is actualy closer to it. That's why I needed to defend France and that's why I wanted you Lando to take Rum and/or Sev. In that case I'd let Italy have the rest of France. But I suspect it was too much to think for him,having seen how long it took him to take Sev,hence the draw.
07 Jan 14 UTC Anyway, gg all - Fairfax sorry that I was not willing to draw 5 after that game. I was surprised to make the ending.
07 Jan 14 UTC Yes, I was willing to take out either Austria or France, if given room. The new army was going to convoy to Greece or Albania this year. Had I suspected Austria would make those moves last turn, I would have taken both Trieste and Serbia that turn. I wasn't in a hurry, though. If I made an ineffective attack they would have given their centers to Germany, as Austria was preparing to demonstrate earlier.
07 Jan 14 UTC Because Lando pissed my off going for Venice after we had worked so well together against Turkey, I was looking for payback. I'd have put an army in Alb or Greece to see what I could make happen there. If Germany kept his distance, I think Austria could have been eliminated.
07 Jan 14 UTC Lando, had you not turned on me, I was going to send everything I could spare west to eliminate France. If you look back at my moves, you'll see I was offering you both Greece and Sev if you had stayed with me. The Venice dot-grab attempt kept us from getting a three-way with Germany and risked your being eliminated.
07 Jan 14 UTC Right Dipper,I remember that what you are saying regarding Austria and I was hoping you would eliminate him.I even entered my next orders,maybe you saw it, but as I said - as I saw you weren't willing to eliminate Russia for years I didn't want to delay the game further,I was sure you wouldn't attack Austria so I wasn't in a mode to hold my units for another 10 or 20 years.
You said "if given room",I think I was giving you well enough room the whole time.Nevermind.
07 Jan 14 UTC Yes, at the end you were, and that is why I was going to try it.
07 Jan 14 UTC Earlier, no.
07 Jan 14 UTC I'm talking about Sevastopol - since autumn '15 I've been supporting (or allowing) you into it.Why didn't you take it?
07 Jan 14 UTC If I had taken Sev immediately, two things were not going to happen. 1) You wouldn't have gotten frustrated and pulled out of Ukr/Gal/Boh basically saying "Will you please TAKE THE FUCKING CENTER!" and 2) Austria would not have been able to move out of Serbia and into Gal/Boh, and stop supporting Trieste. All of that happened except him moving to Boh because I was patient. I just missed my chance to take Ser/Tri that last turn. Stupid of me. I should have tried because that is what I was trying to make happen. I'm sorry, SD, if you're frustrated with the time it was taking, but I think I played it well up until the last non-moves.
07 Jan 14 UTC DD - I regretted my move on VEN and GRE right after I made it. I tried to demonstrate this to you but I guess you were not willing to forgive and forget.
07 Jan 14 UTC No,it's ok DD,not frustrated,just was curious about Sev. I could have waited more as well but I thought someone could complain to the mods again about non-progressive game. That's why I voted,I just couldn't see you coming on Austria...
07 Jan 14 UTC Fuck people who complain to mods. Slow play can be a strategy like any other.
07 Jan 14 UTC Agree but it happens. We saw it recently. But not from the survived people from this game,they are honorable. So congrats to Party and Fairfax for not complaining about the game!
07 Jan 14 UTC Agreed. It was a good game by everyone, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks to all!
07 Jan 14 UTC Hey, Lando. I should have been more forgiving, considering how you forgave me wandering into Trieste the first year. When I disbanded my armies, you could have chosen to punish me. But you played smart, and well, by letting me work with you against Turkey. I like players like you who can make that kind of smart decision when necessary, and not seek vengeance just for its own sake.
08 Jan 14 UTC Yeah,of course you like players who play for you but that turned out not to be that smart and well for him,maybe for you only. He survived,yes, but he should have been dead. I would have sweap the floor with you after those disbands no matter what.
I told Lando before - inventing "avangarde" things in this game is sweet and fun but it wont benefit him ever,only other players will be happy with his benevolence while trying to invent new alliances and changing the game...
I see you liked it DD but what all that brought to him?
08 Jan 14 UTC Yeah,of course you like players who play for you but that turned out not to be that smart and well for him,maybe for you only. He survived,yes, but he should have been dead. I would have sweap the floor with you after those disbands no matter what.
I told Lando before - inventing "avangarde" things in this game is sweet and fun but it wont benefit him ever,only other players will be happy with his benevolence while trying to invent new alliances and changing the game...
I see you liked it DD but what all that brought to him?
08 Jan 14 UTC I was telling my son just few days ago that I don't play Dip very well any more because I've gotten bored with the same old alliance structures, stalemate lines, etc. Instead of going with what really works, I try to do things a little differently and often get poor results. So, yes, I agree with what you're saying very much generally. But in this game, I think Lando made the right choice to contain Turkey rather than come after me. He read the situation well, and played very well, up until he took a shot at Venice. Then he made some bad guesses tactically against me, which can happen to anyone.
08 Jan 14 UTC Thanks for the feedback, fellas.

Split, I disagree with what you're saying here. I made the choice in this game that would allow me to survive the longest. I will breifly explain some of my decision process:

Italy attacked me, Turkey and Russia closed in. My goal here ebcomes fuck italy over at all costs.

Italy changes his strategy, he backs off. I have two options - continue to try and fuck him or I can play to try and survive longer.

My opinion is that Turkey if manages to take and hold SER and GRE will probably not be stopped. If Turkey makes a small draw Austria is probably not invovled. So, considering the opportunity presented by Italy, I made the choice to combat Turkey - whom I believed to be the biggest threat to my own existence.

I agree I made mistakes later. I agree the move for Venice (while I wouldn't call it a d"dot grab" I had hoped for more) was a mistake, I should have predicted the Italian defense and reaction. But I think this has less to do with being "avant-garde" and mroe to do with just tactical error.

Lastly, split, i think you may find yourself surprised in the future. It seems people are more receptive to trying enw things, the gunboat quality is increasing and people are more and more able to negotiate new alliances. If you continue to force your old-tactics you may find the results will start to change. This is just a hypothesis. We'll see.
08 Jan 14 UTC Agreed. Looking at the map at the end of 1902, Turkey is ready to roll if Austria continues against Italy. You made the best play, and the results were very impressive. Show that position to anyone and they'd bet on Turkey prevailing. Intead, he got stuffed.
08 Jan 14 UTC I see results from your games where you seek those new alliances,that's enough for me. Nothing surprisingly I'm afraid...

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Germany
SplitDiplomat (101279 D)
Drawn. Bet: 500 D, won: 875 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
DipperDon (6457 D)
Drawn. Bet: 500 D, won: 875 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
France
Partysane (10754 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 500 D, won: 875 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
Drawn. Bet: 500 D, won: 875 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 500 D
Turkey
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 500 D
Russia
Fairfax (1915 D)
Defeated. Bet: 500 D
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